Saturday, January 10, 2026

Sixth Mansions Chapter 8 – The Interior Castle by St. Teresa of Avila – Intellectual Visions - TOG EP 159

In Tales of Glory episode 159, we are in the Seventh Chapter of Saint Teresa of Avila's masterpiece on prayer, The Interior Castle, in the Sixth Mansion, Chapter 8 - Intellectual Visions. Saint Teresa shares how we can have a deep mystical experience with Jesus at our side for an extended period. This is another stage of intimacy in prayer in our interior prayer life, and the level of discernment necessary.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Timeline:
00:00:00 Opener
00:02:52 Show Introduction to Sixth Mansions Chapter 8
00:06:41 I. Introducing the Intellectual Vision
00:07:13    nos. 1. Our Lord's presence accompanying the soul. 
00:09:02    nos. 2. St. Teresa's experience of this. 
00:14:41 II. Experiencing the Intellectual Vision
00:15:01   nos. 3. Confidence and graces resulting from this vision. 
00:19:52   nos. 4. Its effects. 
00:25:08   nos. 5. It Produces humility. 
00:28:42 III. Experiencing His Presence
00:29:08    nos. 6. And prepares the soul for other graces. 
00:32:28   nos. 7. Consciousness of the presence of the saints. 
00:39:08   nos. 8. Obligations resulting from this grace. 
00:47:16 IV. Not of the Devil
00:47:35    nos. 9. Signs that this favor is genuine. 
00:54:23    nos. 10. A confessor should be consulted.  
01:11:06 V. Commenting on Spiritual Direction
01:11:24    nos. 11. Our Lord will enlighten our advisers. 
01:16:47    nos. 12. Cautions about this vision.
01:21:20 Conclusion

 

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The Interior Castle PDF (Peers Translation) <- the translation used for the TOG podcasts.

The Sixth Mansions Chapter 8 audio mp3  - Discerning Hearts read by Kristin McGreggor


Mike's Intellectual Vision as a child

Commentary Notes

 I. Introducing the Intellectual Vision 

    nos. 1 Our Lord's presence accompanying the soul.

    nos. 2 St. Teresa's Experience of this.


Saint Teresa directs us to her autobiography, Life, ch. xxvi. 3-5, for further explanation.

nos 3
3. At the end of two years spent in prayer by myself and others for this end, namely, that our Lord would either lead me by another way, or show the truth of this,—for now the locutions of our Lord were extremely frequent,—this happened to me. I was in prayer one day,—it was the feast of the glorious St. Peter,386—when I saw Christ close by me, or, to speak more correctly, felt Him; for I saw nothing with the eyes of the body, nothing with the eyes of the soul. He seemed to me to be close beside me; and I saw, too, as I believe, that it was He who was speaking to me. As I was utterly ignorant that such a vision was possible, I was extremely afraid at first, and did nothing but weep; however, when He spoke to me but one word to reassure me, I recovered myself, and was, as usual, calm and comforted, without any fear whatever. Jesus Christ seemed to be by my side continually, and, as the vision was not imaginary, I saw no form; but I had a most distinct feeling that He was always on my right hand, a witness of all I did; and never at any time, if I was but slightly recollected, or not too much distracted, could I be ignorant of His near presence.

nos. 4
4. I went at once to my confessor, in great distress, to tell him of it. He asked in what form I saw our Lord. I told him I saw no form. He then said: "How did you know that it was Christ?" I replied, that I did not know how I knew it; but I could not help knowing that He was close beside me,—that I saw Him distinctly, and felt His presence,— that the recollectedness of my soul was deeper in the prayer of quiet, and more continuous,—that the effects thereof were very different from what I had hitherto experienced,—and that it was most certain. I could only make comparisons in order to explain myself; and certainly there are no comparisons, in my opinion, by which visions of this kind can be described. Afterwards I learnt from Friar Peter of Alcantara, a holy man of great spirituality,—of whom I shall speak by and by,—and from others of great learning, that this vision was of the highest order, and one with which Satan can least interfere; and therefore there are no words whereby to explain,—at least, none for us women, who know so little: learned men can explain it better.

nos. 5
5. For if I say that I see Him neither with the eyes of the body, nor with those of the soul,—because it was not an imaginary vision,—how is it that I can understand and maintain that He stands beside me, and be more certain of it than if I saw Him? If it be supposed that it is as if a person were blind, or in the dark, and therefore unable to see another who is close to him, the comparison is not exact. There is a certain likelihood about it, however, but not much, because the other senses tell him who is blind of that presence: he hears the other speak or move, or he touches him; but in these visions there is nothing like this. The darkness is not felt; only He renders Himself present to the soul by a certain knowledge of Himself which is more clear than the sun. I do not mean that we now see either a sun or any brightness, only that there is a light not seen, which illumines the understanding so that the soul may have the fruition of so great a good. This vision brings with it great blessings.

II. Experiencing the Intellectual Vision


nos. 3 Confidence and graces resulting from the vision.


Saint Teresa directs us to her autobiography, Life, ch. xxvi. 7, for further explanation.


7. My confessor next asked me, who told me it was Jesus Christ. I replied that He often told me so Himself; but, even before He told me so, there was an impression on my understanding that it was He; and before this He used to tell me so, and I saw Him not. If a person whom I had never seen, but of whom I had heard, came to speak to me, and I were blind or in the dark, and told me who he was, I should believe him; but I could not so confidently affirm that he was that person, as I might do if I had seen him. But in this vision I could do so, because so clear a knowledge is impressed on the soul that all doubt seems impossible, though He is not seen. Our Lord wills that this knowledge be so graven on the understanding, that we can no more question His presence than we can question that which we see with our eyes: not so much even; for very often there arises a suspicion that we have imagined things we think we see; but here, though there may be a suspicion in the first instant, there remains a certainty so great, that the doubt has no force whatever. So also is it when God teaches the soul in another way, and speaks to it without speaking, in the way I have described.

 

nos. 4 Its effects.  

nos. 5 It produces humility.

III. Experiencing His Presence

nos. 6. And prepares the soul for other graces. 

nos. 7. Consciousness of the presence of the saints. 

nos. 8. Obligations resulting from this grace. 

VI. Not of the Devil 

      
  nos. 9. Signs that this favor is genuine. 
  

  nos. 10. A confessor should be consulted. 

Teresa directs us to her autobiography, Life, ch. v. 6.

6. In the place to which I had gone for my cure lived a priest of good birth and understanding, with some learning, but not much. I went to confession to him, for I was always fond of learned men, although confessors indifferently learned did my soul much harm; for I did not always find confessors whose learning was as good as I could wish it was. I know by experience that it is better, if the confessors are good men and of holy lives, that they should have no learning at all, than a little; for such confessors never trust themselves without consulting those who are learned—nor would I trust them myself: and a really learned confessor never deceived me. Neither did the others willingly deceive me, only they knew no better; I thought they were learned, and that I was not under any other obligation than that of believing them, as their instructions to me were lax, and left me more at liberty—for if they had been strict with me, I am so wicked, I should have sought for others. That which was a venial sin, they told me was no sin at all; of that which was most grievously mortal, they said it was venial.

V. Commenting on Spiritual Direction

 
 nos. 11. Our Lord will enlighten our advisers.  
 nos. 12. Cautions about this vision.



She cites her writings, from Life, ch. xxiii. 14-15, on this matter,


 14. And certainly the affliction to be borne is great, and caution is necessary, particularly in the case of women,—for our weakness is great,—and much evil may be the result of telling them very distinctly that the devil is busy with them; yea, rather, the matter should be very carefully considered, and they should be removed out of reach of the dangers that may arise. They should be advised to keep things secret; and it is necessary, also, that their secret should be kept. I am speaking of this as one to whom it has been a sore trouble; for some of those with whom I spoke of my prayer did not keep my secret, but, making inquiries one of another, for a good purpose, did me much harm; for they made things known which might well have remained secret, because not intended for every one and it seemed as if I had made them public myself.

15. I believe that our Lord permitted this to be done without sin on their part, in order that I might suffer. I do not say that they revealed anything I discussed with them in confession; still, as they were persons to whom, in my fears, I gave a full account of myself, in order that they might give me light, I thought they ought to have been silent. Nevertheless, I never dared to conceal anything from such persons. My meaning, then, is, that women should be directed with much discretion; their directors should encourage them, and bide the time when our Lord will help them, as He has helped me. If He had not, the greatest harm would have befallen me, for I was in great fear and dread; and as I suffered from disease of the heart, I am astonished that all this did not do me a great deal of harm.


 

Supplemental References on the Interior Castle


Interior Castle: The Classic Text with Spiritual Commentary - My favorite reference.


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fire Within: Teresa of Avila, John of the Cross and the Gospel on Prayer -excellent reference!




 

 

 

 

Into the Deep: Finding Peace Through Prayer - Dan Burke great book!

 

The Essential Teresa of Avila - Interior Castle, Life, Way of Perfection in Modern English!!!


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Cosmology and Demonology in Genesis 1-11: The Serpent, Divine Council, and Regional Spirits

  


I frequently discuss why we shouldn’t go outside our domain of authority and talk to angels, or try to put ourselves in the throne room of heaven. Do you know why? The modern church's view of angelology and demonology is wrong. It is not what Elijah, Ezekiel, and the saints believed. Where did the Apostle Paul get his language and context from Ephesians 6:12? It is not a choir of angels. They’re not even angels. An angel is specifically a messenger sent by God for a task. These bad guys in Ephesians 6:12 are divine spiritual beings - not messengers.  Did you know that demons are not fallen angels? Get the book! Highly recommended for the Tales of Glory audience!






Till Next Time

Thank you stopping by. Next time we will be diving into the Sixth Mansions Chapter 9 - imaginary visions!
God Bless
Rev. Mike
The M16 Bishop

 

Wednesday, December 3, 2025

Sixth Mansions Chapter 7 – The Interior Castle by St. Teresa of Avila – Meditating on the Passion - TOG EP 158


In Tales of Glory episode 158, we are in the Seventh Chapter of Saint Teresa of Avila's masterpiece on prayer, The Interior Castle, in the Sixth Mansion. Here, Saint Teresa shares her wisdom on meditation, emphasizing that we still need to focus on the Passion of Jesus Christ and his humanity. She also discusses why we can't stay in contemplation and how it can be unhealthy spiritually and physically to do so.

 

 

 

 

 



Timeline:
00:00:00 Opening Scripture  Hebrews V 7-10 ESV  
00:01:40 Tales of Glory Episode 158 Intro   
00:09:23 Sixth Mansions Chapter 7 Topic Outline
00:11:27 Outline I Reflection and grieving for our sins.
00:12:42    nos. 1. Sorrow for sin felt by souls in the Sixth Mansion. 
00:15:44    nos. 2. How this sorrow is felt.
00:19:21    nos. 3. St. Teresa's grief for her past sins.
00:20:40    nos. 4. Such souls, centered in God, forget self-interest.   
00:27:54     nos. 5. The remembrance of divine benefits increases contrition.
00:35:17 Outline II The importance of meditation.
00:35:30     nos. 6. Meditation on our Lord’s Humanity.
00:39:59     nos. 7. Warning against discontinuing it. 
00:44:40     nos. 8. Christ and the saints our models. 
00:50:08  Outline III Meditation and the faculties.
00:50:25     nos. 9. Meditation of contemplatives.
00:52:52     nos. 10. Meditation during aridity. 
00:56:49     nos. 11. We must search for God when we do not feel His presence.
00:59:45 Outline IV Challenges in meditation.     
00:59:57     nos. 12. Reasoning and mental prayer.
01:02:12     nos. 13. A form of meditation on our Lord’s Life and Passion. 
01:05:03     nos. 14. Simplicity of contemplatives’ meditation.
01:09:24 Outline V Meditation Advice  
01:09:42     nos. 15. Souls in every state of prayer should think of the Passion. 
01:13:04     nos. 16. Need of the example of Christ and the saints. 
01:18:22     nos. 17. Faith shows us our Lord as both God and Man.
01:19:13 Outline VI Teresa's closing thoughts on meditation.
01:19:23     nos.18. St. Teresa’s experience of meditation on the sacred Humanity. 
01:20:09    nos.19. Evil of giving up such meditation.   
01:20:56 Conclusion
 

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Commentary Notes

I. Reflection and grieving for our sins
  

nos. 1. Sorrow for sin felt by souls in the Sixth Mansion.   

Life, ch. vi. 7.

7. All these tokens of the fear of God came to me through prayer; and the greatest of them was this, that fear was swallowed up of love—for I never thought of chastisement. All the time I was so ill, my strict watch over my conscience reached to all that is mortal sin.  
  
  
nos. 2. How this sorrow is felt.   

nos. 3 St. Teresa's grief for her past sins.  
 

nos. 4. Such souls, centered in God, forget self-interest.   

nos. 5. The remembrance of divine benefits increases contrition.

Life, ch. xxi, 9.

9. Oh, if we were utterly detached,—if we never placed our happiness in anything of this world,—how the pain, caused by living always away from God, would temper the fear of death with the desire of enjoying the true life! Sometimes I consider, if a person like myself—because our Lord has given this light to me, whose love is so cold, and whose true rest is so uncertain, for I have not deserved it by my works—frequently feels her banishment so much, what the feelings of the Saints must have been. What must St. Paul and the Magdalene, and others like them, have suffered, in whom the fire of the love of God has grown so strong? Their life must have been a continual martyrdom. It seems to me that they who bring me any comfort, and whose conversation is any relief, are those persons in whom I find these desires—I mean, desires with acts. I say with acts, for there are people who think themselves detached, and who say so of themselves,—and it must be so, for their vocation demands it, as well as the many years that are passed since some of them began to walk in the way of perfection,—but my soul distinguishes clearly, and afar off, between those who are detached in words, and those who make good those words by deeds. The little progress of the former, and the great progress of the latter, make it plain. This is a matter which a person of any experience can see into most clearly.
 

II. The importance of meditation. 
 

nos. 6. Meditation on our Lord’s Humanity. 

Life, ch. xxii. 9-11


9. With so good a Friend and Captain ever present, Himself the first to suffer, everything can be borne. He helps, He strengthens, He never fails, He is the true Friend. I see clearly, and since then have always seen, that if we are to please God, and if He is to give us His great graces, everything must pass through the hands of His most Sacred Humanity, in whom His Majesty said that He is well pleased. I know this by repeated experience: our Lord has told it me. I have seen clearly that this is the door by which we are to enter, if we would have His supreme Majesty reveal to us His great secrets.

10. So, then, I would have your reverence seek no other way, even if you were arrived at the highest contemplation. This way is safe. Our Lord is He by whom all good things come to us; He will teach you. Consider His life; that is the best example. What more can we want than so good a Friend at our side, who will not forsake us when we are in trouble and distress, as they do who belong to this world! Blessed is he who truly loves Him, and who always has Him near him! Let us consider the glorious St. Paul, who seems as if Jesus was never absent from his lips, as if he had Him deep down in his heart. After I had heard this of some great Saints given to contemplation, I considered the matter carefully; and I see that they walked in no other way. St. Francis with the stigmata proves it, St. Antony of Padua with the Infant Jesus; St. Bernard rejoiced in the Sacred Humanity; so did St. Catherine of Siena, and many others, as your reverence knows better than I do.

11. This withdrawing from bodily objects must no doubt be good, seeing that it is recommended by persons who are so spiritual; but, in my opinion, it ought to be done only when the soul has made very great progress; for until then it is clear that the Creator must be sought for through His creatures. All this depends on the grace which our Lord distributes to every soul. I do not intermeddle here. What I would say is, that the most Sacred Humanity of Christ is not to be counted among the objects from which we have to withdraw. Let this be clearly understood. I wish I knew how to explain it.

nos. 7. Warning against discontinuing it. 

Life ch. xxii. i

1. There is one thing I should like to say—I think it important: and if you, my father, approve, it will serve for a lesson that possibly may be necessary; for in some books on prayer the writers say that the soul, though it cannot in its own strength attain to this state,—because it is altogether a supernatural work wrought in it by our Lord,—may nevertheless succeed, by lifting up the spirit above all created things, and raising it upwards in humility, after some years spent in a purgative life, and advancing in the illuminative. I do not very well know what they mean by illuminative: I understand it to mean the life of those who are making progress. And they advise us much to withdraw from all bodily imagination, and draw near to the contemplation of the Divinity; for they say that those who have advanced so far would be embarrassed or hindered in their way to the highest contemplation, if they regarded even the Sacred Humanity itself. They defend their opinion by bringing forward the words of our Lord to the Apostles, concerning the coming of the Holy Ghost; I mean that Coming which was after the Ascension. If the Apostles had believed, as they believed after the Coming of the Holy Ghost, that He is both God and Man, His bodily Presence would, in my opinion, have been no hindrance; for those words were not said to the Mother of God, though she loved Him more than all. They think that, as this work of contemplation is wholly spiritual, any bodily object whatever can disturb or hinder it. They say that the contemplative should regard himself as being within a definite space, God everywhere around, and himself absorbed in Him. This is what we should aim at.


Life ch. xxiii. 18


18. I communicated the whole state of my soul to that servant of God and he was a great servant of His, and very prudent. He understood all I told him, explained it to me, and encouraged me greatly. He said that all was very evidently the work of the Spirit of God; only it was necessary for me to go back again to my prayer, because I was not well grounded, and had not begun to understand what mortification meant,—that was true, for I do not think I knew it even by name,—that I was by no means to give up prayer; on the contrary, I was to do violence to myself in order to practice it, because God had bestowed on me such special graces as made it impossible to say whether it was, or was not, the will of our Lord to do good to many through me. He went further, for he seems to have prophesied of that which our Lord afterwards did with me, and said that I should be very much to blame if I did not correspond with the graces which God bestowed upon me. It seems to me that the Holy Ghost was speaking by his mouth in order to heal my soul, so deep was the impression he made. He made me very much ashamed of myself, and directed me by a way which seemed to change me altogether. What a grand thing it is to understand a soul! He told me to make my prayer every day on some mystery of the Passion, and that I should profit by it, and to fix my thoughts on the Sacred Humanity only, resisting to the utmost of my power those recollections and delights, to which I was not to yield in any way till he gave me further directions in the matter.



John 8:12
12 Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

III. Meditation and the faculties. 

nos. 9. Meditation of contemplatives. 
 

nos. 10.  
 

nos. 11. We must search for God when we do not feel His presence. 

 
 Canticles, iii. 3
 
 3 The watchmen found me
    as they went about in the city.
    “Have you seen him whom my soul loves?”

 

IV. Challenges in meditation.   

nos. 12. Reasoning and mental prayer.  

nos. 13. A form of meditation on our Lord’s Life and Passion. 

Life, ch. xiii. 19
19. Going back, then, to what I was saying. We set ourselves to meditate upon some mystery of the Passion: let us say, our Lord at the pillar. The understanding goeth about seeking for the sources out of which came the great dolors (suffering/distress) and the bitter anguish which His Majesty endured in that desolation. It considers that mystery in many lights, which the intellect, if it be skilled in its work, or furnished with learning, may there obtain. This is a method of prayer which should be to everyone the beginning, the middle, and the end: a most excellent and safe way, until our Lord shall guide them to other supernatural ways.

nos. 14. Simplicity of contemplatives’ meditation.    

V. Meditation advice.  

nos. 15. Souls in every state of prayer should think of the Passion.  
 

nos. 16. Need of the example of Christ and the saints. 

nos. 17. Faith shows us our Lord as both God and Man. 

VI.Teresa's closing thoughts on meditation.  
    

nos.18. St. Teresa’s experience of meditation on the sacred Humanity. 

nos.19. Evil of giving up such meditation.



Supplemental References on the Interior Castle


Interior Castle: The Classic Text with Spiritual Commentary - My favorite reference.


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fire Within: Teresa of Avila, John of the Cross and the Gospel on Prayer -excellent reference!




 

 

 

 

Into the Deep: Finding Peace Through Prayer - Dan Burke great book!

 

The Essential Teresa of Avila - Interior Castle, Life, Way of Perfection in Modern English!!!


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Till Next Time

We're moving through the supernatural prayer experiences of the sixth mansions. Next time, we will explore visions in the sixth mansion, chapter 8.
God Bless, 


Rev. Mike



 

Monday, November 17, 2025

Sixth Mansions Chapter 6 – The Interior Castle by St. Teresa of Avila – The Prayer of Jubilation - TOG EP 157

In episode 157, we explore Saint Teresa of Avila's classic manuscript on prayer, The Interior Castle, in the Sixth Mansions chapter 6. The doctor on prayer explains the trials she experienced from raptures. And she teaches us how to discern whether tears during prayer are from Jesus or from our emotions. She teaches us about a new form of prayer experience - jubilation!








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The Interior Castle PDF (Peers Translation) <- the translation used for the TOG podcasts.


Commentary Notes

 1. The soul longs for death. 

Life, ch. xxv. 18.

18. Nevertheless, Satan has many devices; and so there is nothing more certain than that it is safer to be afraid, and always on our guard, under a learned director, from whom nothing is concealed. If we do this, no harm can befall us, though much has befallen me through the excessive fears which possessed some people. For instance, it happened so once to me, when many persons in whom I had great confidence, and with good reason, had assembled together,—five or six in number, I think,—and all very great servants of God. It is true, my relations were with one of them only; but by his orders made my state known to the others. They had many conferences together about my necessities; for they had great affection for me, and were afraid I was under a delusion. I, too, was very much afraid whenever I was not occupied in prayer; but when I prayed, and our Lord bestowed His graces upon me, I was instantly reassured. My confessor told me they were all of opinion that I was deceived by Satan; that I must communicate less frequently, and contrive to distract myself in such a way as to be less alone.




2. The soul cannot help desiring these favors. 

Life, ch. xxv. 20.
 

20. In this distress, I quitted the church, and entered an oratory. I had not been to Communion for many days, nor had I been alone, which was all my comfort. I had no one to speak to, for every one was against me. Some, I thought, made a mock of me when I spoke to them of my prayer, as if I were a person under delusions of the imagination; others warned my confessor to be on his guard against me; and some said it was clear the whole was an operation of Satan. My confessor, though he agreed with them for the sake of trying me, as I understood afterwards, always comforted me: and he alone did so. He told me that, if I did not offend God, my prayer, even if it was the work of Satan, could do me no harm; that I should be delivered from it. He bade me pray much to God: he himself, and all his penitents, and many others did so earnestly; I, too, with all my might, and as many as I knew to be servants of God, prayed that His Majesty would be pleased to lead me by another way. This lasted, I think, about two years; and this was the subject of my continual prayer to our Lord.


Life, ch. xxvii. 1-2


1. I now resume the story of my life. I was in great pain and distress; and many prayers, as I said, were made on my behalf, that our Lord would lead me by another and a safer way; for this, they told me, was so suspicious. The truth is, that though I was praying to God for this, and wished I had a desire for another way, yet, when I saw the progress I was making, I was unable really to desire a change,—though I always prayed for it,—excepting on those occasions when I was extremely cast down by what people said to me, and by the fears with which they filled me.

2. I felt that I was wholly changed; I could do nothing but put myself in the hands of God: He knew what was expedient for me; let Him do with me according to His will in all things. I saw that by this way I was directed heavenwards, and that formerly I was going down to hell. I could not force myself to desire a change, nor believe that I was under the influence of Satan. Though I was doing all I could to believe the one and to desire the other, it was not in my power to do so. I offered up all my actions, if there should be any good in them, for this end; I had recourse to the Saints for whom I had a devotion, that they might deliver me from the evil one; I made novenas; I commended myself to St. Hilarion, to the Angel St. Michael, to whom I had recently become devout, for this purpose; and many other Saints I importuned, that our Lord might show me the way,—I mean, that they might obtain this for me from His Majesty.



3. St. Teresa bewails her inability to serve God. 
4. Fervor resulting from ecstasies. 
5. Excessive desires to see God should be restrained. 
6. They endanger health. 

Background on St, Martin reference.

’When St. Martin was dying, his brethren said to him: ‘Why, dear Father, will you leave us? Or to whom can you commit us in our desolation? We know, indeed, that you desire to be with Christ, but your reward above is safe and will not be diminished by delay; rather have pity on us whom you are leaving desolate.’ Then Martin, always pitiful, moved by these lamentations, is said to have burst into tears. Turning to God, he replied to the mourners around him only by crying: ‘O Lord, if I am still necessary to Thy people, I do not shrink from toil; Thy will be done.’ (Sulpitius Severus, Life of St. Martin, letter 3.)


7. Tears often come from Physical causes. 


Way of Perf.. ch. xvii. 4
 

4. Other souls, receiving no spiritual consolations, are humble, for they doubt whether it is not through their own fault and are most anxious to improve. When they see any one else weeping, unless they do the same, they think they must be much more backward than she is in God's service, although perhaps they are more advanced, for tears, though a good sign, do not always indicate perfection. Humility, mortification, detachment, and other virtues are the safest: there is no cause for fear, nor need you doubt that you may become as perfect as the greatest contemplatives. St. Martha was holy, though we are never told she was a contemplative; would you not be content with resembling this blessed woman who deserved to receive Christ our Lord so often into her home, where she fed and served Him, and where He ate at her table, and even, perhaps, off her own plate? If she had always been enraptured like the Magdalen there would have been no one to offer food to this divine Guest. Imagine, then, that this community is the house of St. Martha where there must be different kinds of people. Let not the nun who is called to the active life murmur at others who are absorbed in contemplation, for she knows our Lord will defend them; as a rule, they themselves are silent, for the 'better part' makes them oblivious of themselves and of all else. Remember that some one must cook the food, and think yourself favoured in being allowed to serve with Martha. Reflect: that true humility consists in being willing and ready to do what our Lord asks of us: it always makes us consider ourselves unworthy to be reckoned among His servants.

Life, ch. xxix. 12. 

12. In the beginning, I had tears of this kind. They left me with a disordered head and a wearied spirit, and for a day or two afterwards unable to resume my prayer. Great discretion, therefore, is necessary at first, in order that everything may proceed gently, and that the operations of the spirit may be within; all outward manifestations should be carefully avoided.

8. St. Teresa’s own experience. 

9. Works, not tears, are asked by God. 

Life, ch. xviii. 12 

12. I am now speaking of the water which cometh down from heaven to fill and saturate in its abundance the whole of this garden with water. If our Lord never ceased to pour it down whenever it was necessary, the gardener certainly would have plenty of rest; and if there were no winter, but an ever temperate season, fruits and flowers would never fail. The gardener would have his delight therein; but in this life that is impossible. We must always be careful, when one water fails, to obtain another. This water from heaven comes down very often when the gardener least expects it.


Supplemental References on the Interior Castle


Interior Castle: The Classic Text with Spiritual Commentary - My favorite reference.


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fire Within: Teresa of Avila, John of the Cross and the Gospel on Prayer -excellent reference!




 

 

 

 

Into the Deep: Finding Peace Through Prayer - Dan Burke great book!

 

The Essential Teresa of Avila - Interior Castle, Life, Way of Perfection in Modern English!!!


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 







Till Next Time

We're moving through the supernatural prayer experiences of the sixth mansions. Next time, we will explore visions in the sixth mansion, chapter 7.
God Bless, 


Rev. Mike


Thursday, November 6, 2025

Holy Ghost Stories Edition: Spiritual Discernment on the USS Hornet TOG EP 156


In episode 156 of Tales of Glory, it's a Holy Ghost stories special edition where we do a spiritual discernment walk on the haunted USS Hornet. We'll walk through how Christians use their spiritual discernment. Scripture defines the boundaries of how we do this and why we don't participate in paranormal investigation. But we do live in a spiritually active world, so what are our boundaries, and when do we use spiritual discernment?

 

 

 

 

UNDER CONSTRUCTION 

Timeline: 
00:00:00 Opening
00:01:05 USS Hornet Intro   
00:03:31 Disclaimer - what spiritual discernment is
00:06:07 Deuteronomy 18:9-13
00:11:29  Baseline - Start the walking tour on the hangar deck
00:14:29 Spiritual discernment kicks in on lower deck
00:15:58 Haunted bunk area on lower deck
00:17:29 How do you feel spirits?
00:21:21 Spiritual activity in the med section
00:23:25 Conclusion




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Thank you for stopping by. Hope you were blessed with the information on spiritual discernment.

God Bless

Rev. Mike




Wednesday, October 29, 2025

Connecting with Jesus for Spiritual Growth and Deep Inner Healing TOG EP 155

 

In Tales of Glory 155, we learn to connect with Jesus, whether you are a beginner wanting to learn or a severe trauma survivor having difficulty connecting with your creator. Every believer must know how to put their spirit into the presence of God. Class is now in session for beginning to connect with Jesus! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Timeline:
00:00:00 Opening
00:01:06 Tales of Glory Episode 155 Intro   
00:04:40 Pray the Apostle's Creed
00:05:21 Psalm 8:5 and Hebrews 2:7 - Lesser than angels
00:09:42 Step 1. Psalm 46:10 Still Your Mind
00:12:20 Step 2. Beginning Practicing His Presence
00:14:21 Visualize Jesus
00:18:09 Homework Assignment - practice, practice, practice His presence!
00:20:20 Closing Remarks
  
Opening show music - ⁠Meagan Wright - My Inheritance


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Show Notes

Background refresher - I covered Teresan recollection back in Tales of Glory episode 123.

Interior Castle Second and Third Mansions interior prayer life. 

Beginning a Deeper Prayer Life with Saint Teresa of Avila - Prayer of Recollection - TOG EP 123

 


Errata

 I reference the wrong scripture in the podcast. I said, "Psalm 119 and Hebrew 12:9."

This not the correct scripture, these references are what I was trying to highlight. 

 

Hebrews 2:7-8
English Standard Version
7 You made him for a little while lower than the angels;
    you have crowned him with glory and honor,
8     putting everything in subjection under his feet.” 

 

Psalm 8:5
English Standard Version
5 Yet you have made him a little lower than the heavenly beings
    and crowned him with glory and honor. 

Till Next Time


Thanks for dropping by. I hope you found this training helpful, no matter where you are in the spectrum of learning to pray. Many people have to plow through trauma to reach a place of peace in their prayer life. Or if you're learning to connect with Jesus, it's the same kind of prayer!

God Bless
Rev. Mike

 

Sunday, October 19, 2025

Sixth Mansions Chapter 5 – The Interior Castle by St. Teresa of Avila – Flight of the Spirit - TOG EP 154

 


In episode 154, Saint Teresa of Avila describes the intense rapture experience of the spirit's flight. She tries to articulate this supernatural embrace from God, where He picks up the soul. The soul sees with the imaginary and intellectual visions when this happens. Welcome to the Interior Castle Six Mansions Chapter 5 - the Flight of the Spirit.

 

 

 

 

 



Timeline:
00:00:00 Opening Scripture  Luke 2:25-27
00:02:51 Tales of Glory Episode 154 Intro   
00:11:47 Sixth Mansions Chapter 5 Outline
00:13:19  Outline I Another kind of rapture -flight of the spirit
00:13:42    nos. 01. The flight of the spirit.
00:15:19    nos. 02 Self-control completely lost
00:29:07 Outline II Waters in the VI Mansions
00:29:23    nos. 03. Symbol of the two cisterns 
00:33:29    nos. 04. Obligations following these favors.
00:38:25 Outline III Courage and the state of the soul
00:38:49    nos. 05. Humility produced by them.  
00:46:36    nos. 06. How our crucified Lord comforted such a soul. 
00:47:42    nos. 07. A humble soul fears these favors.
00:48:26 Outline IV Rapture of the spirit
00:48:43    nos. 08. Mysteries learnt during the flight of the spirit. 
00:53:15    nos. 09. Imaginary visions sometimes accompany intellectual ones.
00:58:02 Outline V Explains the phenomenon of the flight of the spirit.
00:58:25    nos. 10. How the flight of the spirit takes place. 
01:02:38    nos. 11. The soul fortified by it. 
01:04:37    nos. 12. Three great graces left in the soul. 
01:10:47 Outline VI The Spouse shares His treasures.
01:11:01    nos.13. The third grace. 
01:15:25    nos. 14. Fear caused by this favor.
01:15:59 Conclusion

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Discerning Hearts The Sixth Mansions Chapter 5 - chapter reading audio mp3 
 

The Interior Castle PDF (Peers Translation) <- the translation used for the TOG podcasts.


 

 Commentary Notes

Scriptural Reading Luke 2: 25-27


25 Now there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon, and this man was righteous and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. 
26 And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord's Christ. 
27 And he came in the Spirit into the temple, and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him according to the custom of the Law, 


I. Another kind of rapture - flight of the spirit

  A. nos. 1. The flight of the spirit. 
  
  Rel. viii. 10-11. Life, ch. xviii, 8; xx. 3.
  
  Rel. viii. 10-11
 
  
  10. The difference between trance and transport is this,—in a trance the soul gradually dies to outward things, losing the senses and living unto God. A transport comes on by one sole act of His Majesty, wrought in the innermost part of the soul with such swiftness that it is as if the higher part thereof were carried away, and the soul leaving the body. Accordingly it requires courage at first to throw itself into the arms of our Lord, that He may take it whithersoever He will; for, until His Majesty establishes it in peace there whither He is pleased to take it—by take it I mean the admitting of it to the knowledge of deep things—it certainly requires in the beginning to be firmly resolved to die for Him, because the poor soul does not know what this means—that is, at first. The virtues, as it seems to me, remain stronger after this, for there is a growth in detachment, and the power of God, who is so mighty, is the more known, so that the soul loves and fears Him. For so it is, He carries away the soul, no longer in our power, as the true Lord thereof, which is filled with a deep sorrow for having offended Him, and astonishment that it ever dared to offend a Majesty so great, with an exceedingly earnest desire that none may henceforth offend Him, and that all may praise Him. This, I think, must be the source of those very fervent desires for the salvation of souls, and for some share therein, and for the due praising of God.
  
  11. The flight of the spirit—I know not how to call it—is a rising upwards from the very depths of the soul. I remember only this comparison, and I made use of it before, as you know, my father, in that writing where these and other ways of prayer are explained at length, and such is my memory that I forget things at once. It seems to me that soul and spirit are one and the same thing; but only as a fire, if it is great and ready for burning; so, like fire burning rapidly, the soul, in that preparation of itself which is the work of God, sends up a flame,—the flame ascends on high, but the fire thereof is the same as that below, nor does the flame cease to be fire because it ascends: so here, in the soul, something so subtile and so swift, seems to issue from it, that ascends to the higher part, and goes thither whither our Lord wills. I cannot go further with the explanation; it seems a flight, and I know of nothing else wherewith to compare it: I know that it cannot be mistaken, for it is most evident when it occurs, and that it cannot be hindered.
  
  Life, ch. xviii, 8
  
  8. I purpose also to speak of the graces and effects which abide in the soul, and of that which the soul itself can do, or rather, if it can do anything of itself towards attaining to a state so high. The elevation of the spirit, or union, comes together with heavenly love but, as I understand it, union is a different thing from elevation in union itself. To him who may not have had any experience of the latter, it must seem that it is not; and, according to my view of it, even if they are both one, the operations of our Lord therein are different: there is a growth of the soul's detachment from creatures more abundantly still in the flight of the spirit.248 I have clearly seen that this is a particular grace, though, as I say, it may be the same, or seem to be so, with the other; but a little fire, also, is as much fire as a great fire—and yet there is a visible difference between them. Before a small piece of iron is made red-hot in a little fire, some time must pass; but if the fire be great, the iron very quickly, though bulky, loses its nature altogether in appearance.
  
  Life, ch. xx. 3. (3-5,7)
  
  3. A rapture is absolutely irresistible; whilst union, inasmuch as we are then on our own ground, may be hindered, though that resistance be painful and violent; it is, however, almost always impossible. But rapture, for the most part, is irresistible. It comes, in general, as a shock, quick and sharp, before you can collect your thoughts, or help yourself in any way, and you see and feel it as a cloud, or a strong eagle rising upwards, and carrying you away on its wings.

4. I repeat it: you feel and see yourself carried away, you know not whither. For though we feel how delicious it is, yet the weakness of our nature makes us afraid at first, and we require a much more resolute and courageous spirit than in the previous states, in order to risk everything, come what may, and to abandon ourselves into the hands of God, and go willingly whither we are carried, seeing that we must be carried away, however painful it may be; and so trying is it, that I would very often resist, and exert all my strength, particularly at those times when the rapture was coming on me in public. I did so, too, very often when I was alone, because I was afraid of delusions. Occasionally I was able, by great efforts, to make a slight resistance; but afterwards I was worn out, like a person who had been contending with a strong giant; at other times it was impossible to resist at all: my soul was carried away, and almost always my head with it,—I had no power over it,—and now and then the whole body as well, so that it was lifted up from the ground.

5. This has not happened to me often: once, however, it took place when we were all together in choir, and I, on my knees, on the point of communicating. It was a very sore distress to me; for I thought it a most extraordinary thing, and was afraid it would occasion much talk; so I commanded the nuns—for it happened after I was made Prioress—never to speak of it. But at other times, the moment 156I felt that our Lord was about to repeat the act, and once, in particular, during a sermon,—it was the feast of our house, some great ladies being present,—I threw myself on the ground; then the nuns came around me to hold me; but still the rapture was observed.

7. It seemed to me, when I tried to make some resistance, as if a great force beneath my feet lifted me up. I know of nothing with which to compare it; but it was much more violent than the other spiritual visitations, and I was therefore as one ground to pieces; for it is a great struggle, and, in short, of little use, whenever our Lord so wills it. There is no power against His power.
  
  
  B. nos. 2. Self-control completely lost. 
  
   Life, ch. xx. 9.
  
  9. The effects of rapture are great: one is that the mighty power of our Lord is manifested; and as we are not strong enough, when His Majesty wills it, to control either soul or body, so neither have we any power over it; but, whether we like it or not, we see that there is one mightier than we are, that these graces are His gifts, and that of ourselves we can do nothing whatever; and humility is deeply imprinted in us. And further, I confess that it threw me into great fear, very great indeed at first; for when I saw my body thus lifted up from the earth, how could I help it? Though the spirit draws it upwards after itself, and that with great sweetness, if unresisted, the senses are not lost; at least, I was so much myself as to be able to see that I was being lifted up. The majesty of Him who can effect this so manifests itself, that the hairs of my head stand upright, and a great fear comes upon me of offending God, who is so mighty. This fear is bound up in exceedingly great love, which is acquired anew, and directed to Him, who, we see, bears so great a love to a worm so vile, and who seems not to be satisfied with attracting the soul to Himself in so real a way, but who will have the body also, though it be mortal and of earth so foul, such as it is through our sins, which are so great.
  

II. Waters in the VI Mansions

  A.  nos. 3. Symbol of the two cisterns. 
  
  Castle, M. iv. ch. ii. 3.
  
  3. To make the matter clearer, let us imagine we see two fountains with basins which fill with water. I can find no simile more appropriate than water by which to explain spiritual things, as I am very ignorant and have poor wits to help me.  Besides, I love this element so much that I have studied it more attentively than other things. God, Who is so great, so wise, has doubtless hidden secrets in all things He created, which we should greatly benefit by knowing, as those say who understand such matters. Indeed, I believe that in each smallest creature He has made, though it be but a tiny ant, there are more wonders than can be comprehended. These two basins are filled in different ways; the one with water from a distance flowing into it through many pipes and waterworks, while the other basin is built near the source of the spring itself and fills quite noiselessly. If the fountain is plentiful, like the one we speak of, after the basin is full the water overflows in a great stream which flows continually. No machinery is needed here, nor does the water run through aqueducts.
  
  B. nos.  4. Obligations following these favors. 

III. Courage and the state of the soul

  A. nos.  5. Humility produced by them. 
  B. nos.  6. How our crucified Lord comforted such a soul. 
  C. nos.  7. A humble soul fears these favors. 


IV. Rapture of the spirit

  A. nos.  8. Mysteries learnt during the flight of the spirit. 
  B. nos.  9. Imaginary visions sometimes accompany intellectual ones. 
  

V. Explains the phenomenon of the flight of the spirit.

  A. nos.  10. How the flight of the spirit takes place. 
  
  Life, ch. xx. 32. Castle, M. iv. ch. i. 10.
  
  Life, ch. xx. 32.
 
  32. For my part, I believe that a soul which has reached this state neither speaks nor acts of itself, but rather that the supreme King takes care of all it has to do. O my God, how clear is the meaning of those words, and what good reason the Psalmist had, and all the world will ever have, to pray for the wings of a dove!294 It is plain that this is the flight of the spirit rising upwards above all created things, and chiefly above itself: but it is a sweet flight, a delicious flight—a flight without noise.
  
  B. nos.  11. The soul fortified by it. 
  Numbers 14 v 24.
  
  21 So they went up and spied out the land from the wilderness of Zin to Rehob, near Lebo-hamath. 
  22 They went up into the Negeb and came to Hebron. Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the descendants of Anak, were there. (Hebron was built seven years before Zoan in Egypt.) 
  23 And they came to the Valley of Eshcol and cut down from there a branch with a single cluster of grapes, and they carried it on a pole between two of them; they also brought some pomegranates and figs. 
  24 That place was called the Valley of Eshcol, because of the cluster that the people of Israel cut down from there.
  
  C. nos.  12. Three great graces left in the soul. 
  Life, ch. xx. 31 and Life, ch. xxv. 5.
  
 Life, ch. xx. 31 
  
  31. This is really the way in which these things come to pass; if the raptures be true raptures, the fruits and advantages spoken of abide in the soul; but if they did not, I should have great doubts about their being from God—yea, rather, I should be afraid they were those frenzies of which St. Vincent speaks. I have seen it myself, and I know it by experience, that the soul in rapture is mistress of everything, and acquires such freedom in one hour, and even in less, as to be unable to recognize itself. It sees distinctly that all this does not belong to it, neither knows it how it came to possess so great a good; but it clearly perceives the very great blessing which every one of these raptures always brings. No one will believe this who has not had experience of it, and so they do not believe the poor soul: they saw it lately so wicked, and now they see it pretend to things of so high an order; for it is not satisfied with serving our Lord in the common way,—it must do so forthwith in the highest way it can. They consider this a temptation and a folly; yet they would not be astonished, if they knew that it comes not from the soul, but from our Lord, to whom it has given up the keys of its will.
  
  

 VI. The Spouse shares His treasures.

  A. nos.  13. The third grace. 
  B. nos.  14. Fear caused by this favor.

Supplemental References on the Interior Castle


Interior Castle: The Classic Text with Spiritual Commentary - My favorite reference.


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fire Within: Teresa of Avila, John of the Cross and the Gospel on Prayer -excellent reference!




 

 

 

 

Into the Deep: Finding Peace Through Prayer - Dan Burke great book!

 

The Essential Teresa of Avila - Interior Castle, Life, Way of Perfection in Modern English!!!


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 






Till Next Time

Thank you for attending the "Interior Castle: Sixth Mansions" workshop. We finished chapter 5 on Raptures - Flight of the Spirit. Next time we move into another interesting topic, effects on the soul from the flight of the spirit in chapter 6. We will likely move to Chapter 6, but the Holy Spirit controls the Tales of Glory programming schedule, and something else could be added in for Episode 156. 

God Bless,

Rev. Mike